Parallel Anthology Track 25 - Revision history

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Mattwhiteski: Created page with " File:Icon_Unknown_Status.jpg '''Track 25: The Bentley Boys - Down on Penny's Farm''' ''Columbia 15565; Recorded in Johnson City, Tennessee, 23.10.1929'' [[File:Anthol..."

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Created page with " File:Icon_Unknown_Status.jpg '''Track 25: The Bentley Boys - Down on Penny's Farm''' ''Columbia 15565; Recorded in Johnson City, Tennessee, 23.10.1929'' [[File:Anthol..."

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[[File:Icon_Unknown_Status.jpg]] '''Track 25: The Bentley Boys - Down on Penny's Farm''' ''Columbia 15565; Recorded in Johnson City, Tennessee, 23.10.1929''

[[File:Anthology Track 25 label.jpg |thumb| |left|]] Record label does not assign authorship, nor does either Anthology booklet or [http://www.78discography.com/COL15000D.htm www.78discography.com].

The [http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&cross=off&type=Song&access=off&op=or&query=&field=all&fieldshow=multi&op_9=precise&field_9=penny%27s+farm&op_12=or&field_12=&op_13=or&field_13=&op_14=or&field_14=&op_15=or&field_15=&op_47=or&field_47=&op_16=or&field_16=&op_0=or&field_0=&op_17=or&field_17=&op_10=or&field_10=&op_11=or&field_11=&op_18=or&field_18=&op_19=or&field_19=&op_20=or&field_20=&op_21=or&field_21=&op_22=or&field_22=&op_23=or&field_23=&op_24=or&field_24=&op_5=or&field_5=&op_25=or&field_25=&op_26=or&field_26=&output=Record&length=5&submit=Submit+query Roud Folksong Index] classifies this song as a version of Roud 6687, although a [http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&cross=off&type=Song&access=off&op=or&query=&field=all&fieldshow=multi&op_9=or&field_9=&op_12=or&field_12=&op_13=or&field_13=&op_14=or&field_14=&op_15=or&field_15=&op_47=or&field_47=&op_16=or&field_16=&op_0=or&field_0=&op_17=or&field_17=&op_10=or&field_10=&op_11=or&field_11=&op_18=or&field_18=&op_19=or&field_19=&op_20=or&field_20=6687&op_21=or&field_21=&op_22=or&field_22=&op_23=or&field_23=&op_24=or&field_24=&op_5=or&field_5=&op_25=or&field_25=&op_26=or&field_26=&output=Record&length=5&submit=Submit+query Roud number search] does not return any versions which pre-date the Bentley Boys' recording.

Harry Smith's anthology notes call this song "a regionalized recasting of an earlier song 'Hard Times'."

[http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=41872 This discussion] on www.mudcat.org (post from 3.31PM, 9th September 07) gives the lyrics for a version of "Hard Times" dating from at least 1861. However, although there is a lot of similarity between the structure and lyrics of the two songs, the setting of the song is entirely different.

As the details of who wrote this version of the song, and when it was written are unknown, the copyright status of this composition is '''unknown'''.

[[Parallel Anthology Research|Parallel anthology main index page]]

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   '''On Tanner's Farm''' ''by Gid Tanner and Riley Puckett''    recorded in 1934 (according to [http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&amp;fieldshow=multi&amp;field_14=recording&amp;field_20=6687&amp;op_10=notempty&amp;op_9=and&amp;start=3&amp;output=Record&access=off RFSI]): [http://open.spotify.com/track/60hvxV9fD02uHG7BBqVXmr Spotify]
   '' ''
-  ''No image of record label available. [http://www.allmusic.com/album/bluegrass-bonanza-string-band-roots-1927-38-mw0001229177 allmusic] credits authorship of this song to Gid Tanner, who died in 1960 (according to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gid_Tanner wikipedia]). However, this song is so similar to the''
+  ''No image of record label available. [http://www.allmusic.com/album/bluegrass-bonanza-string-band-roots-1927-38-mw0001229177 allmusic] credits authorship of this song to Gid Tanner, who died in 1960 (according to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gid_Tanner wikipedia]).
   ''Bentley Brothers' version, other than the name "Tanner" being used instead of "Penny", that the validity of this claim seems doubtful.''

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   '''Hard Times in the Mill''' ''by Pete Seeger''    album released in 1957: [http://open.spotify.com/track/0RYul7Sqcf1SGHm3G9qsCY Spotify]
   '' ''
-  ''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill worker, state that the melody comes from another song and make no claim to arrangement.''
+  ''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill
   '''On Tanner's Farm''' ''by Gid Tanner and Riley Puckett''    recorded in 1934 (according to [http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&amp;fieldshow=multi&amp;field_14=recording&amp;field_20=6687&amp;op_10=notempty&amp;op_9=and&amp;start=3&amp;output=Record&access=off RFSI]): [http://open.spotify.com/track/60hvxV9fD02uHG7BBqVXmr Spotify]

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   '''Hard Times in the Mill''' ''by Pete Seeger''    album released in 1957: [http://open.spotify.com/track/0RYul7Sqcf1SGHm3G9qsCY Spotify]
   '' ''
-  ''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill worker,''
+  ''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill worker, state that the melody comes from another song and make no claim to arrangement.''
   '''On Tanner's Farm''' ''by Gid Tanner and Riley Puckett''    recorded in 1934 (according to [http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&amp;fieldshow=multi&amp;field_14=recording&amp;field_20=6687&amp;op_10=notempty&amp;op_9=and&amp;start=3&amp;output=Record&access=off RFSI]): [http://open.spotify.com/track/60hvxV9fD02uHG7BBqVXmr Spotify]

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	''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill worker,''		''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill worker,''
	''state that the melody comes from another song and make no claim to arrangement''		''state that the melody comes from another song and make no claim to arrangement''
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		+	'''On Tanner's Farm''' ''by Gid Tanner and Riley Puckett'' recorded in 1934 (according to [http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/query.cgi?index_roud=on&fieldshow=multi&field_14=recording&field_20=6687&op_10=notempty&op_9=and&start=3&output=Record&access=off RFSI]): [http://open.spotify.com/track/60hvxV9fD02uHG7BBqVXmr Spotify]
		+	'' ''
		+	''No image of record label available. [http://www.allmusic.com/album/bluegrass-bonanza-string-band-roots-1927-38-mw0001229177 allmusic] credits authorship of this song to Gid Tanner, who died in 1960 (according to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gid_Tanner wikipedia]). However, this song is so similar to the''
		+	''Bentley Brothers' version, other than the name "Tanner" being used instead of "Penny", that the validity of this claim seems doubtful.''

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   '''Hard Times in the Mill''' ''by Pete Seeger''    album released in 1957: [http://open.spotify.com/track/0RYul7Sqcf1SGHm3G9qsCY Spotify]
   '' ''
-  ''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill worker, state that the melody comes from another song and make no claim to arrangement''
+  ''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill worker,''
- ''credit for Seeger.''
+ ''state that the melody comes from another song and make no claim to arrangement''

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		+	== Alternative Versions ==
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		+	'''Hard Times in the Mill''' ''by Pete Seeger'' album released in 1957: [http://open.spotify.com/track/0RYul7Sqcf1SGHm3G9qsCY Spotify]
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		+	''[http://media.smithsonianfolkways.org/liner_notes/smithsonian_folkways/SFW40058.pdf Liner notes] for this album date this song to 1890, credit authorship to the mother of a mill worker, state that the melody comes from another song and make no claim to arrangement credit for Seeger.''